Talk:SOC Insignia

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Hey what's the big idea ?

The Crossed Sabres are the exclusive insignia of the Marine MEKK Branch.

Is there something else you could use ?

Regards

B.Gen. Paul Williams Deputy Commandant MFMC


Uhhhh...

The insignia says: "The SOC RECON WINGS will be awarded upon successfully passing the SOC LAM MEKK Course, SOC 202."... Shouldn't all MEKK be the same? Speaking strictly as a quartermaster, the idea of two different insignias to denote the same accmplishment (MEKK) for two different branches would seem a little redundant. We have the same wings for all branches, so the crossed sabers to denote MEKK accomplishment sounds logical. Am I off base here?

FADM (Ret) Gary Davis
MFI Quartermaster


I'd have to agree. Speaking as the former Awards Division Director, it is something I would have suggested to help denote the overlap. I don't kow what Barb's opinion on it would be as this has yet to come through Awards. As is until it is submitted, such wings won't be shown on the Hall, where as all the Marine MEKK awards have gone through there and are Hall Approved.

--RAdm Logan Andrews 15:58, 10 August 2006 (PDT)


Ok:

I made an oops somewhat, I would have apprciated being in the know on this, as the MEKK Program was initiated by me, and I currently act as an advisor to the MEKK Program. Cary Griffen, or myself wouldn't mind liasoning with SOC on future developements with the MEKK Program and would be happy to do so.

Cheers B.Gen Paul Williams Deputy Commandant MFMC


Hey now you know how Barb and I feel when people start deciding what awards they want to offer and design without consulting us (me in the past and her currently). As is I think if and when they do submit it, there might be slight changes. The wings should be made to match the other wings used by MFI

--RAdm Logan Andrews 18:00, 10 August 2006 (PDT)

About time

Finally, someone has seen and commented, heh heh heh.

I asked Gary Davis some time ago to mock up wings for LAM MEKK, and even further back had asked Logan Andrews and Mike Anderson to consider the design. This was a proposal as insignia for the LAM MEKK course I had written for MFMC's school at the Academy. However, while people were interested in considering it, it wasn't a high priority as at that time even the crossed sabres were not completely defined (IIRC, that is). I am quite willing to allow my course to be used again if MFMC wants, but what I had been negotiatinbg with Liam Collins was to have a further course for SOC use the MFMC version as a prerequisite. My plan was to have the gold sabres on wings denote the MFMC LAM course, while black sabres on gold wings would denote the SOC LAM course. However, getting the disparate desparate characters all together at once has proven a daunting challenge for someone with only intermittant internet service.

The "Infiltrator Wings" are a joke - sort of. I don't know who designed them, or if anyone "owns" the design currently, despite some research on my part. I just think they would do well as SOC insignia (and have started negotiations with someone to copy the original I have in my possesion). I would have liked to use the current wing type, but the original - I think - has its own sort of panache. I was not intending that it be placed on the awards page, but would not be adverse to that either.

At any rate, I figured the only way to "get the word out" would be to place them on the MFIWiki, knowing that the requisite people should (or, rather, would) be made aware in short order. Comments or questions?

FCAPT David W. Ferber

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