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If it's referring to Transferring Chapters, you're right, there's no way we can recognize other chapters schools, but they are free tolist their other organization's awards on their Chapter pages (if they have graphics). [[User:Rjohnson|Rob-J]] 09 March 2006
 
If it's referring to Transferring Chapters, you're right, there's no way we can recognize other chapters schools, but they are free tolist their other organization's awards on their Chapter pages (if they have graphics). [[User:Rjohnson|Rob-J]] 09 March 2006
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I believe that Re: transfering chapters we are saying we acknowledge their previous achievements.  The Awards program specifically says that after the MFI ribbons any ribbons earned from another organization may be worn IAW that organozations Order of Precidence.  Aside from that allowing anything they had before to be listed on their web site should be enough to cover "guaranteed recognitition of all previously held rank(up to Naval Captain), awards, and schools attended."
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I also think we should seperate out the program that deals with transfering/dual chapters from returning chapters.  Within the Returning chapters program, we should then note that any chapter that left MFI under "friendly" circumstances, or entered into an inactive period voluntarily will retain their status and achievements from the time they left and any that went dark, were sent away, or left under "hostile" circumstances, will be subject to review and probations conditions, to be determined on a case by case basis.
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--[[User:Landrews|RAdm Logan Andrews]] 15:06, 8 March 2006 (PST)
 
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Revision as of 23:06, 8 March 2006

This Discussion/Talk Page is a workshop page for the Handbook Revision Team.

If you are NOT part of the Revision Team, PLEASE refrain from doing any editing.
Thanks,
Rob Johnson, IC


Check and Plan.


Handbook Committee members:
Christina Doane
Gary Davis
Will Robertson
Steve Lackey
Logan Andrews

  • Any other CC wants to help or does not want to be on the committee let me know.

I think we'll just go through section by section. So we'll start with section 1 and 2. If you find something to change or not, post here. Remember if you see grammer errors as well nows a good time.

--General Christina Doane 16:05, 23 January 2006 (PST)

Ok we're caught up, now to get the updates from the branch heads. Logan want to set something up for naval while I pesture marine, SFC, and Klingon branches. --General Mayhem 16:05, 6 March 2006 (PST)


Don't forget to make it EASY on yourselves...
Copy & Paste the original statement from the Handbook page (so we all know what part you're talking about), then follow it with what you feel it should be changed to.
Rob J


Contents

Section 1: Gary's Introduction


Looks pretty ok too me, no errors. Guys?
--General Christina Doane 22:59, 23 January 2006 (PST)

Ok we'll continue this closed its pretty prelim. anyone wanting to comment on this section is welcomed. --General Mayhem 15:54, 6 February 2006 (PST)

Chapter 1


I will be going through it tonight and toss on my two cents. anyone wishing to comment is asked to do so before next week if at all possible. After section 2 we'll be doing 3 and 4. --General Mayhem 15:55, 6 February 2006 (PST)


  • Original Quoute:

From 'Membership, rights duties, and responsibilities' "# 4. Chose the amount of your MFI participation at any organizational level. "

  • Suggested Change:

perhaps some note about the Tier System with an explaination a little later? --General Mayhem 00:19, 8 February 2006 (PST)

  • Original Quote:

From 'Rank and Advancement within MFI' "If you are transferring from another Star Trek fan club, MFI will accept whatever rank you held in that organization, providing you provide MFI with the proper documentation. This documentation can be a letter from your previous chapter or organizational officer or a promotion certificate from your previous chapter or club. If you wish to transfer your rank then send the documentation with your application so it can be entered in our central membership database. If you are of flag rank, your rank must be reviewed and approved by the Coordinator Council. Applications under our Collateral Flag Rank Conversion policy will only be accepted after the member has been in MFI for a minimum of six months and has completed both the New Member Exam and the Leadership Development Exam."

  • Suggested Change:

"If you are transferring from another Star Trek fan club, MFI will accept whatever rank you held in that organization, providing you provide MFI with the proper documentation. This documentation can be a letter from your previous chapter or organizational officer or a promotion certificate from your previous chapter or club. If you wish to transfer your rank then send the documentation with your application so it can be entered in our central membership database. If you are of flag rank, your rank must be reviewed and approved by the Coordinator Council. Approval is on a case by case basis." --General Mayhem 00:19, 8 February 2006 (PST)

  • "providing you provide"?? That sounds rather odd. How about "Providing you submit"?... Except,we haven't been requiring that people submit verification. We've been letting them "Self Promote" to the rank of Captain, haven't we?
  • Also... Since we no longer have the Colateral Rank Transfer, how about changing the part about Flag Rank to something like: "No new members will be granted Rank Transfer above the rank of Captain." and leave it at that?? We don't even have a "Case By Case Basis" on he matter any more. --Rob J 05:19, 15 February 2006 (PST)


  • Well Membership tends to assign a rank to the CO, while keeping their preference in mind. I know I had a CO who wanted to be a Commander instead of the usual Captain. But yeah its usually membership who makes that first call and the Zone CO or COO(whomever it applies to) tends to go with it. Leastways I never heard of a problem. Just seems pretty standard, Cell co tends to be a Captain and can promote up to Commander I believe. I was a full Captain and in charge of an LP at first *shrug and grin* And sure a 'No higher than Captain' policy sounds good to me.

--General Mayhem 00:34, 16 February 2006 (PST)

  • Original Quote:

"The Force Admiral is the final authority on all "Promotion Board" promotions. For those members who are in positions with promotion authority you cannot promote yourself. If promotions are warranted by virtue of positions that members are appointed, they are granted a “Brevet" rank until such time as they complete a “probationary" period and prove to the CC that they have or are making strides toward fulfilling the requirements for that position."

Suggested Change:
>> Snip<< This was just a typographical error. No need to discuss... Fixed. Rob J 05:19, 15 February 2006 (PST)

  • El Snazzy.

--General Mayhem 00:34, 16 February 2006 (PST)

The word 'Fun' in the membership materials section just needs to be corrected. and 'personas' in the communications cyberspace section.

Thats all I got anyone else?--General Mayhem 00:19, 8 February 2006 (PST)

  • I will double check if I can't find anything else I'll start on section 3 next week. I will also email the Branch heads again about getting out their updated sections.

--General Mayhem 00:33, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Chapter 2


After reading this section and the stated Appex.'s seems fine. I will have some suggestions for rewording the Appex's when we get that far. --General Mayhem 22:06, 22 February 2006 (PST)

Chapter 3


In the intro it mentions min. number of personel but I can't seem to find where it lists them. Example:Listening Post or Relay Station-1 Person Min., Runabout-2 Person Min., Ship/Station-3 etc. might be useful to know or did I miss something?
--General Mayhem 22:11, 22 February 2006 (PST)

I do know at one point when I was talking to Gary re: what a new chapter would be that those numbers are guidelines and not hard and fast. I have them on the text version of the applications. I think the idea is that we encourage them to follow those guidelines and allow them to be diffrent if they really want to. Technacally, Trinity would have droped to a Runabout long ago --RAdm Logan Andrews 12:05, 23 February 2006 (PST)
Well do we want to put them in the handbook as guidelines or leave them out as just by listing them we may be making them more official then need be?.
--General Mayhem 15:29, 6 March 2006 (PST)


Chapter 4


Orginial Quote:(re:existing vessel program)
Chapters seeking this option are guaranteed recognition of all previously held rank, awards, and schools attended. They will retain their previous vessel/installation name and designation.

Suggested Quote:
Chapters seeking this option are guaranteed recognitition of all previously held rank(up to Naval Captain), awards, and schools attended. They will retain their previous vessel/installation name and designation.
Question: How do we recognize incoming awards and schools attended anyway? :)
--General Mayhem 15:45, 6 March 2006 (PST)

Hmm... I'm not sure if this is referring to Existing Chapters Transferring from other Organizations, or Existing Chapters Returning to MFI after Resigning.

If it's referring to Returning Chapters, it needs to be rewritten to apply to only Chapters who left MFI under "Friendly" circumstances.

If it's referring to Transferring Chapters, you're right, there's no way we can recognize other chapters schools, but they are free tolist their other organization's awards on their Chapter pages (if they have graphics). Rob-J 09 March 2006

I believe that Re: transfering chapters we are saying we acknowledge their previous achievements. The Awards program specifically says that after the MFI ribbons any ribbons earned from another organization may be worn IAW that organozations Order of Precidence. Aside from that allowing anything they had before to be listed on their web site should be enough to cover "guaranteed recognitition of all previously held rank(up to Naval Captain), awards, and schools attended."

I also think we should seperate out the program that deals with transfering/dual chapters from returning chapters. Within the Returning chapters program, we should then note that any chapter that left MFI under "friendly" circumstances, or entered into an inactive period voluntarily will retain their status and achievements from the time they left and any that went dark, were sent away, or left under "hostile" circumstances, will be subject to review and probations conditions, to be determined on a case by case basis. --RAdm Logan Andrews 15:06, 8 March 2006 (PST)

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